Diorama no. 2 : The Great Gottlieb

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Diorama no. 2 : The Great Gottlieb

Postby DanielErnst » Thu Mar 13, 2014 8:54 am

Heya everyone,


Some time has passed since I released the Blocked In diorama [url]https://share.oculus.com/app/blocked-in?[/url]. I have been working hard on my bigger project: The Pigeon Man, which is coming along great. But more on that later.

After a couple of prototypes I decided to finalize The Great Gottlieb. The Great gottlieb is a diorama about a golden age circus acrbobat who tried to reach the stars by climbing a mountain of chairs. Why a mountain of chairs I hear you ask? Well because he's an acrobat ofcourse.

The diorama will have it's premier at the A-MAZE festival in Berlin 9 to 11 april. If you are in the neighbourhood feel free to say hi!

I will try and share some of the progress in this thread and on my FB page: http://www.facebook.com/shoeboxdiorama .

Ahyhow enough chit chat, without further ado, I eagerly present to you, the extraordinary, the world renowned, the amazing, the fantastical, the great :"Der Grosse Gottlieb":

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If you want a high res version you can get it here :
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Update 22/06/2014

A long overdue update! I was happily sidetracked with my Pigeon Man project, more on that in due time. I think I'm comfortable in sharing the almost final version of Gottlieb. So if you guys and gals want to test the crap out of the diorama it would be much obliged!

So what have I been up to lately. Well I got the chance to do a full fledged art installation at the experimental play festival Copenhagen (w00t festival). Which was a blast, they even had aqua quidditch!!!!

The installation turned out pretty cool! I got some help from my lovely companion, Catinka Kersten, with the construction of the actual installation.

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You can download a tour of the installation here: http://www.theshoeboxdiorama.com/dergrossegottlieb/DerGrosseGottlieb_ArtInstallation_OVR_WIN.zip
http://www.theshoeboxdiorama.com/dergrossegottlieb/DerGrosseGottlieb_ArtInstallation_OVR_MAC.zip

Aside from the fan to simulate the wind, the trick perspective in the stars and the actual installation itself. There was one feature I was particularly proud of and that was the microphone live feed. I inserted my macbook inside the installation underneath the visitors feet. The builtin mic streamed the surround sound in to the game world into my positional audio system. So if you looked down in the diorama you could hear a live feed of your surroundings. For example if your friends were standing there making fun of you looking weird on top of the installation you could hear them and punch them against their shoulders afterwards. And if you looked up you will hear the "real sound" fade out and you'll be left alone with the sound of the twinkling of the stars. It's actually pretty weird to hear your sound fading out. Ofcourse the live feed is blended with the ingame audio to make it feel "real".

You can try it at home if you have some noise cancelling headphones laying around! Just make sure you set your mic to the default recording device. Also make sure there is some recognisable ambient sound going on around you for maximum effect.

The beta test is the version I submitted to Indiecade. Crossing my fingers I can show my installation there!!

But now without furder ado. The Final test of the first view for Der Grosse Gottlieb!
http://www.theshoeboxdiorama.com/downloads/DerGrosseGottlieb_Version1.zip
(I'll upload a Mac version tomorrow. )
Please let me know what you think!

Unfortunately I did not have time to adress every comment spawned by the early beta test. I hope it still improved enough though.

Update 18/07/2014
it's up! viewforum.php?f=28
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Re: Diorama no. 2 : The Great Gottlieb

Postby VRoom » Thu Mar 13, 2014 10:58 am

O man, I can't wait to see this! Even the story concept on its own is great!
Keep us posted and I hope we'll be able to download the demo soon :)
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Postby Peejle » Thu Mar 13, 2014 11:59 am

Judging by your previous work I'm sure this will be excellent.
What's the timeframe for us to be able to download it?

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Re: Diorama no. 2 : The Great Gottlieb

Postby DanielErnst » Thu Mar 13, 2014 12:06 pm

Considering the festival will be the 9 - 11th . I'd say the first version will be in your hands shortly after that! The festival will be the live beta test :) So let's hope no big problems will arise!
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Re: Diorama no. 2 : The Great Gottlieb

Postby petersgrandadventure » Thu Mar 13, 2014 12:48 pm

looking forward to it!
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Re: Diorama no. 2 : The Great Gottlieb

Postby Boff » Fri Mar 14, 2014 5:39 am

Well, surely you'd want the kind folks on these forums to beta test for you so that all the kinks are ironed out before the big showing at the festival? ;)

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Postby mahousensei » Fri Mar 14, 2014 6:13 am

A bit to far for me to come and say hi. :P But I'm really looking forward to this new demo. :D
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Re: Diorama no. 2 : The Great Gottlieb

Postby ad2003 » Sat Mar 15, 2014 1:17 pm

Hey cool - good to know about a-maze. I am in Berlin - so I try to check it out :).

Thanks Daniel!

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Re: Diorama no. 2 : The Great Gottlieb

Postby DanielErnst » Mon Mar 17, 2014 6:19 am

ad2003 : Awesome :) Just say you're from the forums and you'll get a VIP treatment. Or at least a complimentary high five!
mahousensei : Well hopefully you won't have to wait to0 long to try it out at home!
Boff : Haha you're quite the lobbyist! Well I will look and see if I can post an early version on the forums. The barebone version will be done for the festival. After that I can do the actual polish and backend. Looking forward to it!
petersgrandadventure : Thanks :)
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Re: Diorama no. 2 : The Great Gottlieb

Postby DanielErnst » Fri Apr 04, 2014 5:33 am

Alright everyone!

I have had enough willing testers. Thanks for the help!
Now onwards to get the demo festival ready and try and get the demo to everyone soon after!

DANIEL SIGNING OFF!


Heya Everyone!

First of all, sorry about not updating this thread. It seems it is impossible for me to develop and update stuff at the same time. So now I feel like a prick. I will probably update with work in progresses once the diorama is ready.... So to make up for it and have a quick test before the festival in Berlin (you got to me with your words of reasoning Boff) I'm holding a small "play" test this weekend.

If you are interested in giving the beta a go and share your honest feedback please PM me and I will send you a download link tonight or on saterday (CEST time since I live in the Netherlands!). Hopefully I can implement the feedback before the festival!
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Re: Diorama no. 2 : The Great Gottlieb

Postby Darius » Fri Apr 04, 2014 11:44 am

Getting Rift ready, can't wait to experience it 8-)
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Postby DanielErnst » Fri Apr 04, 2014 2:06 pm

Cool can' t wait to hear your feedback!
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Re: Diorama no. 2 : The Great Gottlieb

Postby Darius » Fri Apr 04, 2014 5:21 pm

Very well done Daniël, vibrant colours, intriguing objects and quite comforting to just sit around in the clouds trying to figure out what Gottlieb's real motives were to build this pile of chairs and bottles. Being an acrobat perhaps this is the obvious thing to do for him. To create a challenge? However, I sense a lost of love? Is he writing letters to a soulmate that has passed away? Is he trying to reach the stars to be close to that one? Why is the picture missing in the picture frame? Questions, questions. I will return back to the table in the sky to find some answers ...

(The experience runs perfectly on my 64bits Win8.1 computer in 1920x1080 mode, no glitches and switching view modes goes well)

Little finishing touches to do perhaps, the candle needs a blackened pith?

Very curious what the Pigeon Man experience will be like. Keep it up :D
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Re: Diorama no. 2 : The Great Gottlieb

Postby VRoom » Sat Apr 05, 2014 1:06 am

This was wonderful!
Atmosphere is great and little details are fascinating to look at. There's lots of nice touches, like the tablecloth fluttering in the wind, blazes of wind, etc. Would love to experience more of the (back)story.

My suggestions: Mountains look a bit plain and simple and not quite as interesting as the rest of the scene. The result is, the part below don't look quite as majestic as it could. Also maybe some stylized fluffy clouds below could make the low plane less plain and more interesting to look at?

Anyway, great work!
As Darius mentioned, can't wait for Pigeon Man :)
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Postby DeepRifter » Sat Apr 05, 2014 10:22 am

I sent you a longer PM with ideas but wanted to post my initial impressions publicly.

INITIAL IMPRESSIONS: Oh, yes, big smile. First off, I really love how close the stars are and the 3d affect associated with their proximity as well as the blinking/fading in and out! The letters flying into space and table cloth waving in the wind and sound of wind rushing really give the sense of being so high in our own little world atop the tower. The use of many wine bottles in the construction give me the impression of the need for escape from some possible emotional pain...an escape into my own world of my creation....but yet a precarious place to be as though my world can come crashing down at any moment. Definitely a story to be had here. This is awesome. Really like view 3 how you have the additional thin cloud level, at or just above eye level, that is rushing by, once again giving the wind a character of its own. Sense of height is really cool....you are going to have some people get uncomfortable (which I think is great). Love the color scheme of blacks, blues and whites. Really dig the whole exaggerated view of the curvature of the earth making it feel even more fantastical...kind of a Little Prince feel to it. I couldn't help but think of the worlds created by James C. Christensen www.jameschristensenart.com while experiencing this. My wife, who is not a Rifter, also really enjoyed it! What a nice gem to add to my collection.
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Postby DanielErnst » Sat Apr 05, 2014 12:37 pm

Heya Deep Rifter & Dario I will send you a reply to your PM too :) It's easier to talk about the beta test in private, because the feedback can influence the other testers. But the test is over so no need for secrecy anymore :D!

I will also reply to everyones PM personally since you have taken the time to give me such wonderful detailed feedback and kind comments (might take some time to reply but I've read all of them!) Let's do a summary of replies to some of your feedback here too!

- The mountains, ah I hoped I could get away with them :) Guess I have to finish them up.
- The Grammaphone player will be animated. I probably broke the animation when I reimported the mesh.
- More clouds! CHECK!
- I will also add additional layering in the sky with thin clouds to maximize the depth.
- Candle will be polished as will the etiquettes on the bottles and ink bottle.
- The white block that can be seen in view 3 under the pile of chairs will eventually be replaced by a proper stack of chairs. The problem was that with the DK1 the resolution was too low so the lines of the chairs would cause horrible jagged edges in view 1 (which will be the view I will be showing at the festival). I guess the DK2 will fix that problem! This demo was developed with the dk2 in mind so you will be able to look next to over the back of your chair and farther to the front.
- I will also make sure you can follow the chairs all the way down!
- I actually still had to do the picture in the frame :) Guess I won't have to anymore!
- The particles of the letters blowing away with the wind still needs proper animation and a memory pool to increse performance.
- There is one mystery view that will give the scene some backstory, which I kept out of the playtest to have some surprises for my fellow dimensionauts :). I will probably tackle the views one by one as I did with Blocked In. So I can change them up while I'm working on the Pigeon Man ( which will be a lot more complicated scope wise then the dioramas. Not to mention it will actually cost me money to make :/ Hey Facebook can you buy me too? just kidding!!!!!)
- Never heard of James Christensen, but wow he's amazing. I ordered his shakespeare sketchbook this afternoon :) He reminds me of this wonderful dutch illustrator: http://www.antonpieck.eu/Zijn-werk-illustraties He did some wonderful designs for a themepark in the Netherlands. And he did designs for the most beautiful diorama ever made, which is hidden in a building inside the themepark. I really enjoy those kind of illustrators, they can portray stories by subtle narrative hooks in the background. Also they have a magical macabre atmosphere to balance out the etherical fantasy which gives you a broader emotional scope. That's certainly something I aspire to achieve in my dioramas!

So back to work! Still got a ton of polishing to do :) Thanks for the honest feedback, I will put every each and one of you in the special thanks!
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Re: Diorama no. 2 : The Great Gottlieb

Postby Ayfel » Wed Apr 16, 2014 7:45 am

When can I try it? :oops: I am really looking forward to it
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Re: Diorama no. 2 : The Great Gottlieb

Postby DanielErnst » Wed Apr 16, 2014 8:24 am

Heya Ayfel I'm not planning on keeping you waiting for much longer. I'm implementing all of the feedback I got at the festival as we speak. Hopefully in a week or 2 a first version will be finished! Sorry to keep you waiting !
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Re: Diorama no. 2 : The Great Gottlieb

Postby mallmagician » Mon Apr 21, 2014 11:42 am

Really looking forward to this.

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Postby Ayfel » Thu May 08, 2014 7:54 am

How long now? : P
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